Dissociation Talk

anxiety

admin — Wed, 18 Oct 2006 00:00:00 +0000

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Hi Ellie: snip "When you mention not being able to get motivated this could be depression. smiles, Elise Tis true, anxiety and depression IMO are bedfellows and a person can flip between the two or experience the symptoms of both at the same time. After suffering from panic/anxiety disorder for a while, a person can usually detect when depression comes creeping around. Learning the side affects of meds. is very important too and knowing that there may be changes in those as well. Attempting to deal with the illness, the meds and the side affects if almost a full time job . -frizz — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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hello, i am new to all this anxiety stuff. i just need some answers. i am on zoloft. some days i feel ok but like im in a dream and things seem distance. some days i’m tired but yet feel restless, like im sleepy and want to sleep but im restless and yet i cannot get motivated to do anything. is this just part of the anxiety? much info on anxiety would be helpfull — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::hello, ::i am new to all this anxiety stuff. i just need some answers. i am on ::zoloft. some days i feel ok but like im in a dream and things seem ::distance. some days i’m tired but yet feel restless, like im sleepy and ::want to sleep but im restless and yet i cannot get motivated to do ::anything. is this just part of the anxiety? much info on anxiety would ::be helpfull Dear Gina, Welcome to ASAPM! Could you give us some more info? The more we know, the better we can help you. How long have you been on Zoloft? What is your current dose? Were you given a diagnosis? I can tell you this, what you describe could be part of your anxiety, or it could be a side-effect of the Zoloft. The dream-like, distant feeling sounds like derealization and/or depersonalization. This is a pretty common anxiety symptom. It can also be a side-effect of the Zoloft. Have you always had this symptom, or did it begin after starting the Zoloft? Does this describe your dream-like state? ~*~Derealization means that things around you become strange, unreal, foggy, or detached from you. Said one patient: II feel I’m in another world. It’s like I know I’m there, but I’m really not. I feel removed from the situation I’m in. I feel like I’m in another dimension-like a hollow or vacuum-outside the situation I’m in. It’s like watching the whole thing from a distance." And another felt "like I was looking at everything through the wrong end of a telescope-it seemed to get more distant and smaller. Sometimes the opposite would happen and everything would feel closer and larger. One day I was going to cross the street and I got this feeling. I felt that if I stepped off the sidewalk, I would sink into a deep abyss and never make it to the other side of the street, it seemed so far away."~*~ http://www.angelfire.com/ia/starcollector/dereal.html Some great sites on anxiety disorders. http://panicdisorder.about.com/ http://www.nimh.nih.gov/healthinformation/anxietymenu.cfm http://www.mentalhealth.com/ You might want to check out the following books from your library: "A Guide to Rational Living", by Albert Ellis, Ph.D "Feeling Good, The New Mood Therapy", by David D. Burns, M.D. "How to Control Your Anxiety, Before it Controls You", by Albert Ellis, Ph.D "The Anxiety & Phobia Workbook", by Edmund J., Ph.D. Bourne Don’t hesitate to ask questions, Gina! We’ll do our best to help you Jackie ~*~If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?~*~ ~~ Hillel — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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YES YOU NAILED THERE ON THAT DREAM LIKE FEELING. thank you for the reply – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ::hello, ::i am new to all this anxiety stuff. i just need some answers. i am on ::zoloft. some days i feel ok but like im in a dream and things seem ::distance. some days i’m tired but yet feel restless, like im sleepy and ::want to sleep but im restless and yet i cannot get motivated to do ::anything. is this just part of the anxiety? much info on anxiety would ::be helpfull Dear Gina, Welcome to ASAPM! Could you give us some more info? The more we know, the better we can help you. How long have you been on Zoloft? What is your current dose? Were you given a diagnosis? I can tell you this, what you describe could be part of your anxiety, or it could be a side-effect of the Zoloft. The dream-like, distant feeling sounds like derealization and/or depersonalization. This is a pretty common anxiety symptom. It can also be a side-effect of the Zoloft. Have you always had this symptom, or did it begin after starting the Zoloft? Does this describe your dream-like state? ~*~Derealization means that things around you become strange, unreal, foggy, or detached from you. Said one patient: II feel I’m in another world. It’s like I know I’m there, but I’m really not. I feel removed from the situation I’m in. I feel like I’m in another dimension-like a hollow or vacuum-outside the situation I’m in. It’s like watching the whole thing from a distance." And another felt "like I was looking at everything through the wrong end of a telescope-it seemed to get more distant and smaller. Sometimes the opposite would happen and everything would feel closer and larger. One day I was going to cross the street and I got this feeling. I felt that if I stepped off the sidewalk, I would sink into a deep abyss and never make it to the other side of the street, it seemed so far away."~*~ http://www.angelfire.com/ia/starcollector/dereal.html Some great sites on anxiety disorders. http://panicdisorder.about.com/ http://www.nimh.nih.gov/healthinformation/anxietymenu.cfm http://www.mentalhealth.com/ You might want to check out the following books from your library: "A Guide to Rational Living", by Albert Ellis, Ph.D "Feeling Good, The New Mood Therapy", by David D. Burns, M.D. "How to Control Your Anxiety, Before it Controls You", by Albert Ellis, Ph.D "The Anxiety & Phobia Workbook", by Edmund J., Ph.D. Bourne Don’t hesitate to ask questions, Gina! We’ll do our best to help you Jackie ~*~If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?~*~ ~~ Hillel — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Gina, Welcome to ASAPM! Jackie reply was very informative. When you mention not being able to get motivated this could be depression. smiles, Elise

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30mg of inderal/propranolol, it didn't work

admin — Fri, 01 Sep 2006 00:00:00 +0000

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I had a major PA during class: depersonalization, sweating the works. I know my students noticed this time out. I managed to keep it together long enough to finish class, but this has got to stop. Jamie said he was taking inderal/propranolol at 60mg so I’m going to try that next. I’ve already contacted my NurseP, she said she would get back to me on trying that much propranolol. I felt fine going into work, and OK at the beginning of class and then it just hit. Again. I’m going to say next week that I had the stomach flu all last week. A good excuse I think… — Doug — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Doug. Are you just taking Inderal? I take 80mg but there is no way it could block my panic/anxiety just by itself. It helps with the heart symptoms but the rest will still be as bad as ever IMO. Have you tried other drugs as well? — _TJ_

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That’s really bad news. I’m also taking doxepin but it does nothing for PA’s. I tried ativan, but it was always at a low dose so it never helped either. When I first began using inderal it stopped my PA’s dead. It was great, but now it doesn’t seem to be working… — Doug

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Doug. Are you just taking Inderal? I take 80mg but there is no way it could block my panic/anxiety just by itself. It helps with the heart symptoms but the rest will still be as bad as ever IMO. Have you tried other drugs as well? — _TJ_

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It’s not necessarily bad news – Inderal may not do the whole job for me, but it might do it for you at the right dose! Actually, I would say Inderal is the best drug I’ve ever had. All the rest had little effect or else had nasty side-effects. Inderal is the only one I’ve stayed on If I didn’t at least have that I would probably go mad. Is it successfully blocking the heart symptoms for you at least? You might try some of the SSRIs if doxepin is no good – doxepin can make your heart race after all. Don’t forget, panic/anxiety symptoms feel nasty but they are totally harmless. No one has ever died of a panic attack yet! — _TJ_

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TJ, I can’t go on having full-blown PA’s while I’m teaching. I can’t do it. I begin sweating and it’s noticeable. The inderal seemed to keep my heart from racing, which is good. I always recover eventually. This whole week full of PA’s has been depressing. I take my doxepin at night, and it’s never caused me any problems. It just makes me tired. I’m sick of anxiety… — Doug

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s really bad news. I’m also taking doxepin but it does nothing for PA’s. I tried ativan, but it was always at a low dose so it never helped either. When I first began using inderal it stopped my PA’s dead. It was great, but now it doesn’t seem to be working… — Doug It’s not necessarily bad news – Inderal may not do the whole job for me, but it might do it for you at the right dose! Actually, I would say Inderal is the best drug I’ve ever had. All the rest had little effect or else had nasty side-effects. Inderal is the only one I’ve stayed on If I didn’t at least have that I would probably go mad. Is it successfully blocking the heart symptoms for you at least? You might try some of the SSRIs if doxepin is no good – doxepin can make your heart race after all. Don’t forget, panic/anxiety symptoms feel nasty but they are totally harmless. No one has ever died of a panic attack yet! — _TJ_

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::I had a major PA during class: depersonalization, sweating the works. I know ::my students noticed this time out. I managed to keep it together long enough ::to finish class, but this has got to stop. Jamie said he was taking ::inderal/propranolol at 60mg so I’m going to try that next. I’ve already ::contacted my NurseP, she said she would get back to me on trying that much ::propranolol. :: ::I felt fine going into work, and OK at the beginning of class and then it ::just hit. Again. :: ::I’m going to say next week that I had the stomach flu all last week. A good ::excuse I think… Dear Doug, I`m really sorry about your panic. If your NP gives you permission to try 60mgs, try it at home first. It could make you very groggy. You want to know exactly how it will affect you before you go driving and teaching. I also think it`s time to talk to someone as to why you are having a dramatic increase in panic attacks. If it continues, you should consider talking to a psychologist. Take care! Jackie ~*~I`m an angel! Honest The horns are just there to keep my halo up straight~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Doug…. I’m not at all familiar with the Inderal/Propanalol… and I see that you have tried Ativan. But have you ever been prescribed Xanax? If your doc is not a benzo phobe, it might be worth a try. If I remember correctly, your students are college level. Is there even the remotest possibility that you could share with them some of what you are going through? I know that may sound drastic… and scary. But I’d be willing to bet that you would find them to be much more understanding than you might expect…. and you may even find that some of them have had similar feelings/experiences. Just a thought. I feel for you. I have been in a classroom setting with panic/anxiety….. and I have also been a student in many classrooms sweating my way through panic attacks. Wishing you well… MikeH

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Thanks for the replies TJ. I just know the anticipatory anxiety is gonna be killing me now. — Doug

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OT: Bonus Question of the day…. 5/07/06

admin — Sun, 07 May 2006 00:00:00 +0000

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Have you ever had an out-of-body experience? How about an out-of-mind experience?

No, never had the pleasure. I once managed to stop thinking for about an hour, which was nice, but I don’t think that counts as an out-of-mind experience. I’ve certainly been out of my mind before! :-0 Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Have you ever had an out-of-body experience? When I eat a Peppermint Patty! :: How about an out-of-mind experience? Derealization/depersonalization. Jackie ~*~I`m an angel! Honest The horns are just there to keep my halo up straight~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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5/07/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s Have you ever had an out-of-body experience?

Not really. Just a really bad depersonalization episode where I sort of felt that way. How about an out-of-mind experience?

Sure. It started in 1961. Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Yes…. On the ceiling looking down at the living room where me and a group of friends were watching a movie. Same night I had my first PA. Also smoked some weed which I am sure contributed…. d

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Not that I remember. smiles, Elise

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5/07/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s Have you ever had an out-of-body experience?

No How about an out-of-mind experience?

Yes. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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5/07/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s Have you ever had an out-of-body experience? How about an out-of-mind experience?

I think that I am mostly "out of my mind" already!! — Ron P If it doesn’t hurt today, it probably will tomorrow. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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5/07/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s Have you ever had an out-of-body experience? How about an out-of-mind experience? Jackie

Last time I took Seroquel I was definitely out of my mind for a time. Never again! — _TJ_

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5/07/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s Have you ever had an out-of-body experience? How about an out-of-mind experience? Jackie ~*~I`m an angel! Honest The horns are just there to keep my halo up straight~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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5/07/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s Have you ever had an out-of-body experience?

Yes. It was during a most intense LSD trip. I watched myself from a short distance. As I recall it was quite enjoyable. I also saw several small purple milkmaids on the wall, so … grain of salt. How about an out-of-mind experience? Pert’near every day. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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5/07/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s Have you ever had an out-of-body experience?

One time a long time ago I was listening to the finale of Sibelius Symphony No. 5 and I felt like I was lifted off the bed. How about an out-of-mind experience?

No. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Have you ever had an out-of-body experience? One time a long time ago I was listening to the finale of Sibelius Symphony No. 5 and I felt like I was lifted off the bed.

When I related that experience to my roommates in med school over the dinner table that night, they all laughed at me and made fun. Assholes! Should have called them that then! Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Feeling scattered and sick of myself

admin — Mon, 20 Mar 2006 00:00:00 +0000

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Hi, Deirdre, I just spent an hour typing this post and my lazy left hand sat on some key too long or god knows what but I lost the whole post. Typical of how I feel. It was probably the ‘control’ key, which is ironic because ‘control’ is the last thing I feel right now.

***Oh no, I have done this also. It’s an awful feeling after you’ve taken so much time to write your thoughts and feelings down the way you want them to come out… I’m quite sure I can’t recreate the post. I’m just going to list some things.

***We understand. Meds: I have enrolled in a Medicare Part D plan, scared to use it, need my Prozac refilled, not sure if I can still use the patient assistance program, never get a human being on the phone just voice mail, I hope my pdoc is back from vacation, if he’s not don’t know how I can get meds, by Wednesday.

***Take the Medicare Part D one step at a time. Many peiople have been scared and flustered by the change. Change tends to worry and scare us but once we adjust it gets as easy as what we were used to. I hope you get the meds refilled before Wednesday so you aren’t worrying over this. For a couple weeks been feeling somewhat spacy, disengaged from what’s going on around me. It isn’t a bad feeling, but I know it’s not ‘normal’. Is abnormal okay if it feels good?

***Do you think it’s anxiety from built up stress? I know you’ve gone through a lot lately and stress is going to come out some way, some how??? My cat has always had only white whiskers. Now suddenly he has two black ones. Does that mean he’s getting old, or sick, or what does it mean? He’s taken to snoring very loudly. Can’t afford a vet right now, maybe it means nothing. Why does this bother me?

***I don’t know much about cats but my daughter’s dog is going to be 3 and has a few gray hairs. It upsets her but we remind her of the life span of a dog. LOL! My dog snores as loud as I do. I really think it’s sinus issues for my dog. Could this be so for your cat? My sleep specialist sent me a letter saying she will no longer bill insurance companies, including Medicare, so I have to find another doc, and that overwhelms me something awful.

***One step at a time. Change is scary but can be done… My brother still hates me, and I’d just as soon he disappear off the planet, except for the fact that Mom would miss him. I meditated about him last night and got absolutely no where. I want to forgive him but it’s so hard. I’d rather kick him down a flight of stairs, but that’s not going to happen.

***Time… It takes time to forgive someone when they’ve hurt you so badly. And more so if you don’t feel they want to resolve the problem(s)… What if it turns out that I am ultimately not fixable? All these years of therapy and meds, and I still feel like crap. What if it’s all a waste of time. I know I know — the "what ifs" are not recommended at best, but honestly — maybe there’s some better way for me. I don’t know what that is.

***I feel this way at times. So many years gone by that I’ve lived with this damn disorder but hey, we are still here. Struggling through each day. Find time to appreciate the little things in life. Be glad your mom is still with you. Work on resolving your medical issues and doctor issues. Say nice things about yourself TO yourself… I want to shave my head. Mom would have a very large cow if I did that, so I won’t. I just hate my hair and all the years of shampoo and other products haven’t made it look like silk. Plus it’s falling out anyway. Along with my teeth.

***Don’t be so hard on yourself, Deirdre. We are all aging and discovering new things everyday that we don’t like. My hair is thinning some also. So I’m trying to find a new way to wear it…haven’t found one yet but STILL looking. Personally, I’d rather shove the top layer into a barrette and scrunch the rest. I really do look hideous. I tried smiling in the mirror this morning and all I could see was fatigue and decay. I was kind of pretty once, for a while. I know it’s not the physical that matters, but it would be nice not to look like a demented sack of potatoes.

***Look into that mirror and say something nice to yourself!!! You are a kind and understanding woman. Give yourself credit for at least that and then start building on complimenting yourself for a shirt you have on, the way your hair might look on a particular day, etc… Oh poor pitiful me — what a stupid post this is.

***We all need a pity party for ourselves once in a while… ((((((DEIRDRE)))))) The up side is this: I finally asked for help with cleaning my room. Actual physical help. I don’t know exactly what day this will start on, but it will be within 2 weeks. A schedule needs to be arranged with the cleaning service. It’s not going to be cheap, but it will be worth every penny. And it will take time – must be done in stages over time. That gives me something to look forward to. Relief AND and clean bedroom.

***Yeah! So glad you took this step. It will be worth every penny and just think of how nice it will look when it’s cleaned and organized… Sorry to ramble and rave like this but my head just doesn’t feel like it’s firmly attached and I had to broadcast my freakout.

***Ramble away whenever you need to ma’am… smiles, Elise Love to all Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::I posted this three months ago. Why is it showing up now? Because you have now entered the twilight zone

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I posted this three months ago. Why is it showing up now? — Doug

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t be so hard on yourself Deirdre. Life’s rough enough as it is. Just remember you have good points too. I can think of at least two good things about you right off the top of my head: you’re kind and considerate. If your brother hasn’t asked forgiveness for whatever he’s done (to you?) don’t worry about not forgiving him (especially if he’s still doing it)… — Doug Hi everyone, I just spent an hour typing this post and my lazy left hand sat on some key too long or god knows what but I lost the whole post. Typical of how I feel. It was probably the ‘control’ key, which is ironic because ‘control’ is the last thing I feel right now. I’m quite sure I can’t recreate the post. I’m just going to list some things. Meds: I have enrolled in a Medicare Part D plan, scared to use it, need my Prozac refilled, not sure if I can still use the patient assistance program, never get a human being on the phone just voice mail, I hope my pdoc is back from vacation, if he’s not don’t know how I can get meds, by Wednesday. For a couple weeks been feeling somewhat spacy, disengaged from what’s going on around me. It isn’t a bad feeling, but I know it’s not ‘normal’. Is abnormal okay if it feels good? My cat has always had only white whiskers. Now suddenly he has two black ones. Does that mean he’s getting old, or sick, or what does it mean? He’s taken to snoring very loudly. Can’t afford a vet right now, maybe it means nothing. Why does this bother me? My sleep specialist sent me a letter saying she will no longer bill insurance companies, including Medicare, so I have to find another doc, and that overwhelms me something awful. My brother still hates me, and I’d just as soon he disappear off the planet, except for the fact that Mom would miss him. I meditated about him last night and got absolutely no where. I want to forgive him but it’s so hard. I’d rather kick him down a flight of stairs, but that’s not going to happen. What if it turns out that I am ultimately not fixable? All these years of therapy and meds, and I still feel like crap. What if it’s all a waste of time. I know I know — the "what ifs" are not recommended at best, but honestly — maybe there’s some better way for me. I don’t know what that is. I want to shave my head. Mom would have a very large cow if I did that, so I won’t. I just hate my hair and all the years of shampoo and other products haven’t made it look like silk. Plus it’s falling out anyway. Along with my teeth. I really do look hideous. I tried smiling in the mirror this morning and all I could see was fatigue and decay. I was kind of pretty once, for a while. I know it’s not the physical that matters, but it would be nice not to look like a demented sack of potatoes. Oh poor pitiful me — what a stupid post this is. The up side is this: I finally asked for help with cleaning my room. Actual physical help. I don’t know exactly what day this will start on, but it will be within 2 weeks. A schedule needs to be arranged with the cleaning service. It’s not going to be cheap, but it will be worth every penny. And it will take time – must be done in stages over time. That gives me something to look forward to. Relief AND and clean bedroom. Sorry to ramble and rave like this but my head just doesn’t feel like it’s firmly attached and I had to broadcast my freakout. Love to all Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi everyone, I just spent an hour typing this post and my lazy left hand sat on some key too long or god knows what but I lost the whole post. Typical of how I feel. It was probably the ‘control’ key, which is ironic because ‘control’ is the last thing I feel right now. I’m quite sure I can’t recreate the post. I’m just going to list some things. Meds: I have enrolled in a Medicare Part D plan, scared to use it, need my Prozac refilled, not sure if I can still use the patient assistance program, never get a human being on the phone just voice mail, I hope my pdoc is back from vacation, if he’s not don’t know how I can get meds, by Wednesday. For a couple weeks been feeling somewhat spacy, disengaged from what’s going on around me. It isn’t a bad feeling, but I know it’s not ‘normal’. Is abnormal okay if it feels good? My cat has always had only white whiskers. Now suddenly he has two black ones. Does that mean he’s getting old, or sick, or what does it mean? He’s taken to snoring very loudly. Can’t afford a vet right now, maybe it means nothing. Why does this bother me? My sleep specialist sent me a letter saying she will no longer bill insurance companies, including Medicare, so I have to find another doc, and that overwhelms me something awful. My brother still hates me, and I’d just as soon he disappear off the planet, except for the fact that Mom would miss him. I meditated about him last night and got absolutely no where. I want to forgive him but it’s so hard. I’d rather kick him down a flight of stairs, but that’s not going to happen. What if it turns out that I am ultimately not fixable? All these years of therapy and meds, and I still feel like crap. What if it’s all a waste of time. I know I know — the "what ifs" are not recommended at best, but honestly — maybe there’s some better way for me. I don’t know what that is. I want to shave my head. Mom would have a very large cow if I did that, so I won’t. I just hate my hair and all the years of shampoo and other products haven’t made it look like silk. Plus it’s falling out anyway. Along with my teeth. I really do look hideous. I tried smiling in the mirror this morning and all I could see was fatigue and decay. I was kind of pretty once, for a while. I know it’s not the physical that matters, but it would be nice not to look like a demented sack of potatoes. Oh poor pitiful me — what a stupid post this is. The up side is this: I finally asked for help with cleaning my room. Actual physical help. I don’t know exactly what day this will start on, but it will be within 2 weeks. A schedule needs to be arranged with the cleaning service. It’s not going to be cheap, but it will be worth every penny. And it will take time – must be done in stages over time. That gives me something to look forward to. Relief AND and clean bedroom. Sorry to ramble and rave like this but my head just doesn’t feel like it’s firmly attached and I had to broadcast my freakout. Love to all Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hey Deirdre. That sounds pretty horrible. I hope you start feeling more yourself. You know, the best advice for me in one of Jackie’s self-help posts is: "Do things slowly." This has always helped when I’m feeling overwhelmed. Keep sloggin’ on. There may not be a cure, but if you can enjoy the moment, even briefly, you’ll have achieved something that a lot of people can’t even do. Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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{{{{{Deirdre}}}}} So sorry you’re feeling like this. I have to throw myself a pity party once in a while too, just to survive. :-) I’m so glad someone is going to help you clean your room. I think that will help you feel a little better. Don’t talk about hair. You should see mine. LOL Isn’t it awful when you need to talk to a human being and you get nothing but a recorded voice. I hate that! Better days ahead sweetie. Love, Di xxx

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, I just spent an hour typing this post and my lazy left hand sat on some key too long or god knows what but I lost the whole post. Typical of how I feel. It was probably the ‘control’ key, which is ironic because ‘control’ is the last thing I feel right now. I’m quite sure I can’t recreate the post. I’m just going to list some things. Meds: I have enrolled in a Medicare Part D plan, scared to use it, need my Prozac refilled, not sure if I can still use the patient assistance program, never get a human being on the phone just voice mail, I hope my pdoc is back from vacation, if he’s not don’t know how I can get meds, by Wednesday. For a couple weeks been feeling somewhat spacy, disengaged from what’s going on around me. It isn’t a bad feeling, but I know it’s not ‘normal’. Is abnormal okay if it feels good? My cat has always had only white whiskers. Now suddenly he has two black ones. Does that mean he’s getting old, or sick, or what does it mean? He’s taken to snoring very loudly. Can’t afford a vet right now, maybe it means nothing. Why does this bother me? My sleep specialist sent me a letter saying she will no longer bill insurance companies, including Medicare, so I have to find another doc, and that overwhelms me something awful. My brother still hates me, and I’d just as soon he disappear off the planet, except for the fact that Mom would miss him. I meditated about him last night and got absolutely no where. I want to forgive him but it’s so hard. I’d rather kick him down a flight of stairs, but that’s not going to happen. What if it turns out that I am ultimately not fixable? All these years of therapy and meds, and I still feel like crap. What if it’s all a waste of time. I know I know — the "what ifs" are not recommended at best, but honestly — maybe there’s some better way for me. I don’t know what that is. I want to shave my head. Mom would have a very large cow if I did that, so I won’t. I just hate my hair and all the years of shampoo and other products haven’t made it look like silk. Plus it’s falling out anyway. Along with my teeth. I really do look hideous. I tried smiling in the mirror this morning and all I could see was fatigue and decay. I was kind of pretty once, for a while. I know it’s not the physical that matters, but it would be nice not to look like a demented sack of potatoes. Oh poor pitiful me — what a stupid post this is. The up side is this: I finally asked for help with cleaning my room. Actual physical help. I don’t know exactly what day this will start on, but it will be within 2 weeks. A schedule needs to be arranged with the cleaning service. It’s not going to be cheap, but it will be worth every penny. And it will take time – must be done in stages over time. That gives me something to look forward to. Relief AND and clean bedroom. Sorry to ramble and rave like this but my head just doesn’t feel like it’s firmly attached and I had to broadcast my freakout. Love to all Deirdre

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Sorry that you’re freaking out Deirdre. You are not alone. This isn’t a stupid post. Sometimes, you just have to "let it all hang out!" ((((((((((Deirdre)))))))))))) — Ron P I’m an EXPERT….a has-been under pressure<;-) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Deidre, Don’t you just hare it when you delete everything but you have still managed to rewrite. Come to think of it a RL delete key could be useful. You have much on your plate but you are taking steps to manage. One thing at a time works for me right now. Aging is not fun. Many $$$ are spent on products to try to reverse it. One step at a time. Meryl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, I just spent an hour typing this post and my lazy left hand sat on some key too long or god knows what but I lost the whole post. Typical of how I feel. It was probably the ‘control’ key, which is ironic because ‘control’ is the last thing I feel right now. I’m quite sure I can’t recreate the post. I’m just going to list some things. Meds: I have enrolled in a Medicare Part D plan, scared to use it, need my Prozac refilled, not sure if I can still use the patient assistance program, never get a human being on the phone just voice mail, I hope my pdoc is back from vacation, if he’s not don’t know how I can get meds, by Wednesday. For a couple weeks been feeling somewhat spacy, disengaged from what’s going on around me. It isn’t a bad feeling, but I know it’s not ‘normal’. Is abnormal okay if it feels good? My cat has always had only white whiskers. Now suddenly he has two black ones. Does that mean he’s getting old, or sick, or what does it mean? He’s taken to snoring very loudly. Can’t afford a vet right now, maybe it means nothing. Why does this bother me? My sleep specialist sent me a letter saying she will no longer bill insurance companies, including Medicare, so I have to find another doc, and that overwhelms me something awful. My brother still hates me, and I’d just as soon he disappear off the planet, except for the fact that Mom would miss him. I meditated about him last night and got absolutely no where. I want to forgive him but it’s so hard. I’d rather kick him down a flight of stairs, but that’s not going to happen. What if it turns out that I am ultimately not fixable? All these years of therapy and meds, and I still feel like crap. What if it’s all a waste of time. I know I know — the "what ifs" are not recommended at best, but honestly — maybe there’s some better way for me. I don’t know what that is. I want to shave my head. Mom would have a very large cow if I did that, so I won’t. I just hate my hair and all the years of shampoo and other products haven’t made it look like silk. Plus it’s falling out anyway. Along with my teeth. I really do look hideous. I tried smiling in the mirror this morning and all I could see was fatigue and decay. I was kind of pretty once, for a while. I know it’s not the physical that matters, but it would be nice not to look like a demented sack of potatoes. Oh poor pitiful me — what a stupid post this is. The up side is this: I finally asked for help with cleaning my room. Actual physical help. I don’t know exactly what day this will start on, but it will be within 2 weeks. A schedule needs to be arranged with the cleaning service. It’s not going to be cheap, but it will be worth every penny. And it will take time – must be done in stages over time. That gives me something to look forward to. Relief AND and clean bedroom. Sorry to ramble and rave like this but my head just doesn’t feel like it’s firmly attached and I had to broadcast my freakout. Love to all Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Doug, Some others said that the other day they received older posts also. I didn’t, but then who knows when you’re on the net… smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I posted this three months ago. Why is it showing up now? — Doug Don’t be so hard on yourself Deirdre. Life’s rough enough as it is. Just remember you have good points too. I can think of at least two good things about you right off the top of my head: you’re kind and considerate. If your brother hasn’t asked forgiveness for whatever he’s done (to you?) don’t worry about not forgiving him (especially if he’s still doing it)… — Doug Hi everyone, I just spent an hour typing this post and my lazy left hand sat on some key too long or god knows what but I lost the whole post. Typical of how I feel. It was probably the ‘control’ key, which is ironic because ‘control’ is the last thing I feel right now. I’m quite sure I can’t recreate the post. I’m just going to list some things. Meds: I have enrolled in a Medicare Part D plan, scared to use it, need my Prozac refilled, not sure if I can still use the patient assistance program, never get a human being on the phone just voice mail, I hope my pdoc is back from vacation, if he’s not don’t know how I can get meds, by Wednesday. For a couple weeks been feeling somewhat spacy, disengaged from what’s going on around me. It isn’t a bad feeling, but I know it’s not ‘normal’. Is abnormal okay if it feels good? My cat has always had only white whiskers. Now suddenly he has two black ones. Does that mean he’s getting old, or sick, or what does it mean? He’s taken to snoring very loudly. Can’t afford a vet right now, maybe it means nothing. Why does this bother me? My sleep specialist sent me a letter saying she will no longer bill insurance companies, including Medicare, so I have to find another doc, and that overwhelms me something awful. My brother still hates me, and I’d just as soon he disappear off the planet, except for the fact that Mom would miss him. I meditated about him last night and got absolutely no where. I want to forgive him but it’s so hard. I’d rather kick him down a flight of stairs, but that’s not going to happen. What if it turns out that I am ultimately not fixable? All these years of therapy and meds, and I still feel like crap. What if it’s all a waste of time. I know I know — the "what ifs" are not recommended at best, but honestly — maybe there’s some better way for me. I don’t know what that is. I want to shave my head. Mom would have a very large cow if I did that, so I won’t. I just hate my hair and all the years of shampoo and other products haven’t made it look like silk. Plus it’s falling out anyway. Along with my teeth. I really do look hideous. I tried smiling in the mirror this morning and all I could see was fatigue and decay. I was kind of pretty once, for a while. I know it’s not the physical that matters, but it would be nice not to look like a demented sack of potatoes. Oh poor pitiful me — what a stupid post this is. The up side is this: I finally asked for help with cleaning my room. Actual physical help. I don’t know exactly what day this will start on, but it will be within 2 weeks. A schedule needs to be arranged with the cleaning service. It’s not going to be cheap, but it will be worth every penny. And it will take time – must be done in stages over time. That gives me something to look forward to. Relief AND and clean bedroom. Sorry to ramble and rave like this but my head just doesn’t feel like it’s firmly attached and I had to broadcast my freakout. Love to all Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Don’t be so hard on yourself Deirdre. Life’s rough enough as it is. Just remember you have good points too. I can think of at least two good things about you right off the top of my head: you’re kind and considerate. If your brother hasn’t asked forgiveness for whatever he’s done (to you?) don’t worry about not forgiving him (especially if he’s still doing it)… — Doug

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I love you people. I honestly don’t know what I’d do without you. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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(((hi you))) Your honesty is one of the most beautiful things about you. One of them. I wish I could let it out like you do, and I sometimes do, but only a select few because of fear of rejection ( a trait in myself that I fight constantly). You actually have made me reconsider my fear of rejection. Seems to me, the more honest YOU are, the more we love you (all of us, Deirdre, not just me.) And if I decide to unload like this, everybody better look out, because I have some major issues that even freak out my therapist. I can’t say anything to you that I haven’t already said in email about a billion times by now. The whiskers thing. I’ll surf and find out. I’m not alarmed by that. More like intrigued. It doesn’t sound like an "illness" sounds more like some gene that’s just been waiting to surface after all these years. Sorta like the fact that I never looked anything like my mother until about age 43, and now I do. I’ll check out the whiskers best I can. The part D thing.. why not call a pharmacy? Have you ever looked into those drive thru pharmacies I told you about? I can tell you this.. I’d rather pay a LITTLE (not a lot you know how "economical" I am) and go through a drive through than go to a place like YOU do to pick up meds for free. You better believe I would. Hell yes. There are positives and negatives to EVERYTHING in life. And I do think that’s a positive.. to not have to go to that clinic to pick up your meds. Let your fingers do the walking, you go nowhere, and I know you’re not phone phobic. So call some pharmacies, see what happens. They are dealing with this stuff even more than we are. Deirdre.. one thing you can’t tell yourself. You can’t tell yourself that nobody cares about you or loves you. You know how I feel about the other stuff you talked about. And let it out, girl. It’s good to let it out. I may try that one of these days. OH boy. I’m honest.. but you’re brutally honest..and it’s so refreshing and so beautiful. I still want to know what credentials your brother has that makes him the ultimate authority and CAPABLE to judge anyone, including you. I want some sort of certificate or a badge or something that he got that makes him you judge and jury. He must have one lying around somewhere.. I would like to see it. And I want to meet him, because he’s apparently one powerful person, and he’s perfect, too. He doesn’t have struggles, and I guess he must be perfect in every way. He’s especially good at treating you well. I hope he reads this. And if he does.. I hope he emails me. I would like to discuss this with him and leave you out of it. You know how I feel, and you know I’m here for you always. And be glad you and I disagree about YOU. If I felt like you do about you, boy would I run, LOL. Yes I would run so fast. Love you, Sally – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, I just spent an hour typing this post and my lazy left hand sat on some key too long or god knows what but I lost the whole post. Typical of how I feel. It was probably the ‘control’ key, which is ironic because ‘control’ is the last thing I feel right now. I’m quite sure I can’t recreate the post. I’m just going to list some things. Meds: I have enrolled in a Medicare Part D plan, scared to use it, need my Prozac refilled, not sure if I can still use the patient assistance program, never get a human being on the phone just voice mail, I hope my pdoc is back from vacation, if he’s not don’t know how I can get meds, by Wednesday. For a couple weeks been feeling somewhat spacy, disengaged from what’s going on around me. It isn’t a bad feeling, but I know it’s not ‘normal’. Is abnormal okay if it feels good? My cat has always had only white whiskers. Now suddenly he has two black ones. Does that mean he’s getting old, or sick, or what does it mean? He’s taken to snoring very loudly. Can’t afford a vet right now, maybe it means nothing. Why does this bother me? My sleep specialist sent me a letter saying she will no longer bill insurance companies, including Medicare, so I have to find another doc, and that overwhelms me something awful. My brother still hates me, and I’d just as soon he disappear off the planet, except for the fact that Mom would miss him. I meditated about him last night and got absolutely no where. I want to forgive him but it’s so hard. I’d rather kick him down a flight of stairs, but that’s not going to happen. What if it turns out that I am ultimately not fixable? All these years of therapy and meds, and I still feel like crap. What if it’s all a waste of time. I know I know — the "what ifs" are not recommended at best, but honestly — maybe there’s some better way for me. I don’t know what that is. I want to shave my head. Mom would have a very large cow if I did that, so I won’t. I just hate my hair and all the years of shampoo and other products haven’t made it look like silk. Plus it’s falling out anyway. Along with my teeth. I really do look hideous. I tried smiling in the mirror this morning and all I could see was fatigue and decay. I was kind of pretty once, for a while. I know it’s not the physical that matters, but it would be nice not to look like a demented sack of potatoes. Oh poor pitiful me — what a stupid post this is. The up side is this: I finally asked for help with cleaning my room. Actual physical help. I don’t know exactly what day this will start on, but it will be within 2 weeks. A schedule needs to be arranged with the cleaning service. It’s not going to be cheap, but it will be worth every penny. And it will take time – must be done in stages over time. That gives me something to look forward to. Relief AND and clean bedroom. Sorry to ramble and rave like this but my head just doesn’t feel like it’s firmly attached and I had to broadcast my freakout. Love to all Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Matthew B. Smith & Victoria Rivamonte

admin — Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The last thing Smith said to me in his office, in December 2004, when I saw him for 15 min, for medication, after terminating, and I asked him: "Why are my medical records inaccurate?" He would not look at me, shook his head, and said: "Good luck with your legal pursuits." No other communication since then from him, despite the fact I have called him asking for information. What his comment missed what this is/was not about a Legal Quest. It was about my sanity, which had been assaulted and shattered and broken. And the Sane World I thought I lived in, 2005, healthcare professionals from a prestigious institution, NYU, were responsible to me in ways defined by law and practice. They were not my "friends," they were professionals I paid money to help with the difficulties I faced in my life. This IS circular, because on May 13, 2004, I was asking for help with things I cannot do, when frightened, and that day it about getting my mail. Victoria Rivamonte, PsyD, attacked me in a way no professional with a liscence to practice should ever have the right to do. Compared to then, and the wake of her abuse, my problems are a mountain compared to a molehill. But that’s when it started. Rivamonte broke her professional contract to me, it happened before that date, too. And so did Matthew B. Smith, MD, by refusing to act on the facts of abuse, or by responding in a life-threatening emergency, which litterally fried my brain with chemicals, and further propelled me into dissociation, unable to stay alive by no other means other than Magical Thinking. That will keep you alive for a while. But when the structures crumble, as they most oftend do, Reality is worse ~ It is a retrogressive undoing that pulls out months or years of "reality" coding. That is a brain machine gone amuck, not unlike a virus destroying the body. Mathew B. Smith, MD, and Victoria Rivamonte, PsyD You almost killed with your abuse, neglect, and misconduct. You make puke. One day, if not today, I will make sure your professional colleagues know you are no different from child abusers who take money and kick you in the head, and run. Because I was no different from a child in my compromises mental status after the abuse on May 13, 2004. Virginia Hooper

Virginia: Have you thought about maybe making a fresh start somewhere else and leaving all those people behind you? I went through something like that in 1998, and it took 6 years and being in another country before I stopped obsessing about it and could start to work productively again.

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Matthew B. Smith & Victoria Rivamonte You are garbage.

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Which one of you lied ~ ? Or both. Your "stories" did not match up.

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Which one of you lied ~ ? Or both. Your "stories" did not match up. It does not matter too much, because both of you left me to die. No metaphor.

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The last thing Smith said to me in his office, in December 2004, when I saw him for 15 min, for medication, after terminating, and I asked him: "Why are my medical records inaccurate?" He would not look at me, shook his head, and said: "Good luck with your legal pursuits." No other communication since then from him, despite the fact I have called him asking for information. What his comment missed what this is/was not about a Legal Quest. It was about my sanity, which had been assaulted and shattered and broken. And the Sane World I thought I lived in, 2005, healthcare professionals from a prestigious institution, NYU, were responsible to me in ways defined by law and practice. They were not my "friends," they were professionals I paid money to help with the difficulties I faced in my life. This IS circular, because on May 13, 2004, I was asking for help with things I cannot do, when frightened, and that day it about getting my mail. Victoria Rivamonte, PsyD, attacked me in a way no professional with a liscence to practice should ever have the right to do. Compared to then, and the wake of her abuse, my problems are a mountain compared to a molehill. But that’s when it started. Rivamonte broke her professional contract to me, it happened before that date, too. And so did Matthew B. Smith, MD, by refusing to act on the facts of abuse, or by responding in a life-threatening emergency, which litterally fried my brain with chemicals, and further propelled me into dissociation, unable to stay alive by no other means other than Magical Thinking. That will keep you alive for a while. But when the structures crumble, as they most oftend do, Reality is worse ~ It is a retrogressive undoing that pulls out months or years of "reality" coding. That is a brain machine gone amuck, not unlike a virus destroying the body. Mathew B. Smith, MD, and Victoria Rivamonte, PsyD You almost killed with your abuse, neglect, and misconduct. You make puke. One day, if not today, I will make sure your professional colleagues know you are no different from child abusers who take money and kick you in the head, and run. Because I was no different from a child in my compromises mental status after the abuse on May 13, 2004. Virginia Hooper

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Can I be a mason trainee at age 51

admin — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -" those who can’t walk in another mans shoes without throwing stone is bound to make the same mistakes in glass houses." Firstly, Rich, why is steve getting into my computer, I followed the instructions… Waaaah. Secondly, Steve, if you’re going to use parables, at least get them right, and pick one that has some modicum of applicability to your retort. Poor thing, how do you manage from day to day? It must be very hard to be you. G

Man you caught that? I almost became a nurse you know lol I will try to do better next time. How is this, Gary is psych nurse who gives meds for condtions that don’t need meds after not even knowing what works for himself ( the short he has been here). . Whats that make you? You know, for a second when you discussed codependents and depersonalization , I thought you actually knew something, but alas, those things sort of didnt exactly click in for too long did it. I guess the supplements that work better and faster are meds. Gary lets ask this for the tenth time, besides the few times you wanted to chuck it all in or or spend allot of time explaining why you wanted to see someone die, what else keeps you going the next dosing? The next chucking it all in? The mood swings? lol

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" those who can’t walk in another mans shoes without throwing stone is bound to make the same mistakes in glass houses." Firstly, Rich, why is steve getting into my computer, I followed the instructions… Waaaah. Secondly, Steve, if you’re going to use parables, at least get them right, and pick one that has some modicum of applicability to your retort. Poor thing, how do you manage from day to day? It must be very hard to be you. G

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how about if I wear a yamaka? I think though there are few engineers here. Engineers have brains exactly opposite mine.

True, the difference is that they have brains

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – how about if I wear a yamaka? I think though there are few engineers here. Engineers have brains exactly opposite mine. They are settled , and calculating ( sort of like Elliott without the dogs) . I then realized would I rather be in circuit city trying to figure where the tapes are which i need,to transform and transport to tape dvd via computer from a min dv recorder without a firewire wire and then I realized the house is falling apart. Priorities., so I decided to be a mason. How many people think I am not improving?

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how about if I wear a yamaka? I think though there are few engineers here. Engineers have brains exactly opposite mine. They are settled , and calculating ( sort of like Elliott without the dogs) . I then realized would I rather be in circuit city trying to figure where the tapes are which i need,to transform and transport to tape dvd via computer from a min dv recorder without a firewire wire and then I realized the house is falling apart. Priorities., so I decided to be a mason. How many people think I am not improving?

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OT: Question of the day…. 11/25/05

admin — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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links to the stone age chiseled out: oral surgery on December 6 No, I’m afraid that won’t work out for me.

Pity. I was going to distribute free Xanaxes. had pre-op The Duke

Ellington? of Earl Hines? had doo wop

Was he treated for that (by Dr. John maybe?) try not to *awfulize* about possible cardiovascular and/or pulmonary disease They would NOT have the surgery unless they felt that your condition in that regard was on solid ground now. This isn’t emergency surgery that would have them weigh ‘benefits vs. downside’ because of your heart.

They are now finding out whether they CAN do the surgery because they did an ECG & a thorax X-Ray (and bloodwork ands peework If all is fine there is no problem, if they find something there is one. As simple as that. Get that thought outta your head, and be more realistic. Yes, anything can happen during any sort of surgery. I know that a year and a half ago when I had mine, I thought of one thing, and one thing only.

I’m not afraid of being under because I won’t be there to experience it. I *am* scared of waking up in panic which is a distinct possibility. I was going to the surgery center, they’d put me out – and I’d sorta know where I was but not really – not until I was home on the sofa, out of it on narcotics and sipping 7UP.

That’s great. Truly, that was my exact imagery in the weeks before my surgery. Join me in a 7UP? I’ll buy.

Mine is diet Coke. Thanx. P. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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"What sound or noise do you hate?" I dislike the sound of construction equipment being used on the road/buildings when I’m waking up early in the A.M. – thankfully it doesn’t happen a lot. Gary — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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links to the stone age chiseled out: They are now finding out whether they CAN do the surgery because they did an ECG & a thorax X-Ray (and bloodwork ands peework If all is fine there is no problem, if they find something there is one. As simple as that. Then your fear on that aspect is unfounded.

Why is that? My first fear is that they will find something which woud not be spectacularly strange as I’m 57, have not always had a healthy way of life and haven’t had a check-up in decades. I may be *awfulizing* about it but it’s not completely unrealistic. (Please note how certain folks you are also aware of brought my *jargon* up to date I’m not afraid of being under because I won’t be there to experience it. I *am* scared of waking up in panic which is a distinct possibility. No no no it isn’t. The drugs just won’t allow that to happen. Of all the ‘out of control – where am I? – I’m going to panic’ places…. a/ you’ll be in a place where they’ll hit you up with tranx so fast no panic can live; even cockroaches would stop moving.

LOL. I’ll insist on that before the procedure. b/ you’ll be sedated sooo much that when you wake, you’ll hardly even know that you have (which is a kewl feeling, really). I’ve been there on several occasions – only once since panic disorder. It’s virtually impossible to panic when you wake up.

I appreciate your effort to reassure me but I know a number of people who *did* panic upon waking up. It’s not unheard of to experience some degree of *dissociation*, to the point of having what is known as *post-operative anxiety delirium* (I translated this literally from the Dutch but you’ll get my drift). Recently a friend of mine who had a far more serious operation pulled all the tubes etc out of his body in blind panic, ran away, was found on the floor near the hospital’s exit and subsequently died. I’m not saying this will happen to me, I won’t even have tubes in me but it is very well possible that some degree of dissociation will occur. The funny thing is that both TCA’s and benzo’s can actually contribute to this and I take both. I know very well that I will survive so although it is a concern of mine I’m not really awfulizing about it (well, ok, a bit but it is patently untrue that "it’s virtually impossible to panic when you wake up." If you want to worry, you’ll have to find another avenue.

I’ll do my best to think of something Mine is diet Coke. Thanx. No problem – diet Coke it is. 7UP is my ‘chicken soup’/sick drink; my regular drink of choice is Diet Pepsi.

Hehe. I am addicted to Diet Coca Cola and that’s the truth. Philip (McPhil of the Phobic McPhils) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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11/25/05: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Deirdre :) What sound or noise do you hate?

I am beginning to detest the sound of shuffling feet but I am finding that a lot of sounds are becoming like fingernails on blackboards to me. This is a recent phenomena that I have no explanation for. — Ron P Just remember….if the world didn’t suck, we’d all fall off. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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11/25/05: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Deirdre :) What sound or noise do you hate?

Mice scratching in the attic. That gives me the willies! — _TJ_

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – links to the stone age chiseled out: What sound or noise do you hate? the dental drill AAAAAAARRRRGGGHHHHHH! I think it’s more like….. bzzzzzzz-zzIIIng-bzzzzzzz-zzIIIng

Sure. The AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH was *me*. P. (oral surgery on December 6, had pre-op today and now try not to *awfulize* about possible cardiovascular and/or pulmonary disease) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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11/25/05: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Deirdre :) What sound or noise do you hate? the dental drill Chip

AAAAAAARRRRGGGHHHHHH! p. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::What sound or noise do you hate? Quads, leaf blowers, cat fights during the night, fingernails on the chalkboard, snoring, crickets, distorted bass sound coming from car speakers turned all the way up & sirens. Jackie ~*~…. humility is the lesson, life is the classroom, all people are my teachers, and class is never over~*~ ~~ Sheila Price — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Electronic music, the kind that childrens toys and some greeting cards are loaded with. Jess — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Chewing, swallowing …… actually any mouth noise ……. ahhhhhhhhh, I hate it! Love Cathy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 11/25/05: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Deirdre :) What sound or noise do you hate? Jackie ~*~…. humility is the lesson, life is the classroom, all people are my teachers, and class is never over~*~ ~~ Sheila Price — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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"phobia" wrote Chewing, swallowing …… actually any mouth noise ……. ahhhhhhhhh, I hate it! Love Cathy

My mom is the same way. All those commercials with people crunching and slurping and smacking their lips get her grumblling, "I don’t know why they have to show that!" Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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11/25/05: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Deirdre :) What sound or noise do you hate?

the dental drill Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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11/25/05: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Deirdre :) What sound or noise do you hate? Jackie ~*~…. humility is the lesson, life is the classroom, all people are my teachers, and class is never over~*~ ~~ Sheila Price

Chalk, when it squeaks on a black board, screaming children, an alarm clock when I’m having a great dream, car horns directed at me… Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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"Jacqueline" wrote 11/25/05: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Deirdre :) What sound or noise do you hate? Jackie

Any sudden, loud, sharp noise, including fireworks. Children shrieking, even in play. The neighbor’s pet bird, possibly a pterodactyl mutation, whose raaawwwkkk ought to be in a horror movie. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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11/25/05: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Deirdre :) What sound or noise do you hate?

You will probably get this a lot but the sound of fingernails on a chalkboard is horrible!! I also cannot stand the sound of a gun being fired in my presence. It takes me back to when I was a little girl and my dad having target practice. Vicki — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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ANYTHING that is loud and startling. smiles, Elise

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strattera

admin — Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:00:00 +0000

Question:

Hush, I do believe the Straterra may be causing you delusions. Speak with John …. Wrong. It’s 2:00 now, dammit. I rest my case, 3:23 am.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – looking for ppl who have had real experience with this med—i’ve read all the patient info booklets and have gone to the Eli Lilly website to read up on it too did you see a difference immediately or did it take while to "kick in"?? I’ve been on it for about 10 days now. It’s starting to work. I’ve been able to study for several hours at a time without getting that caged-animal feeling. I think I like it better than Ritalin so far. My doc said I could take half a dose of Ritalin with Strattera, but I’ve stopped the Ritalin because together they seem to make me anxious, though neither does alone.

Hey, great that it’s starting to work! Even better that you found out the combo of both meds was making you anxious… Ritalin and Effexor XR together brought me out in hives when neither did alone. any side effects?? A little nausea, which is improving. Taking it after you eat reduces the nausea. Besides, you may not want to eat anything for several hours after you take it, so if you take it before supper, you’ll be skipping supper. I’ve been waking up at around 3:00 a.m. (now it’s 4:00, thanks to daylight savings Sometimes I can eventually get back to sleep, sometimes I’m up for the day. It makes me sleepy a few hours after I take it, so I take it around dinnertime and go to bed at around 10:00. I think I’ve heard it’s unpredictable whether it will make you sleepy or alert after you take it. Right after I started it, I felt kind of creepily euphoric for a few days — like I had smoked a joint several hours ago and I didn’t really feel good anymore, but was still disoriented. It wasn’t really a good feeling.

{{{Patti}}} Waking up in the middle of the night is a right pain, if only Strattera didn’t make you sleepy! Maybe that side-effect will wear off after a while so you could try it in the morning? Vashti

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Hush, I do believe the Straterra may be causing you delusions. Speak with John ….

There is evidence it works better for women than men. John’s poroblem was quite rare….But maybe you are joking.

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– ~Patti Reply to ohush at unc dot edu

Hush, I do believe the Straterra may be causing you delusions. Speak with John …. Wrong. It’s 2:00 now, dammit. I rest my case, 3:23 am.

I woke up at around 2:00 a.m. and stayed in bed for an hour hoping I would fall asleep again. I thought you were never going to correspond with me again. So shall I share your delusions with the rest of the class, Ms. Hooper? You know I wouldn’t do that, or you wouldn’t be baiting me. OTOH, I know from personal experience that you will communicate mangled versions of things I’ve told you in confidence for your benefit to others, including my name. If you would like to have this discussion publicly, keep this crap up.

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Hush, I do believe the Straterra may be causing you delusions. Speak with John …. There is evidence it works better for women than men. John’s poroblem was quite rare….But maybe you are joking.

She was joking. I told her privately that *in my opinion* she needs to get effective therapy and heal herself before she pursues her legal battle because she *sounds* delusional and people are unlikely to take her seriously in her current condition. She says that was abusive.

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ng. She was joking. I told her privately that *in my opinion* she needs to get effective therapy and heal herself before she pursues her legal battle because she *sounds* delusional and people are unlikely to take her seriously in her current condition. She says that was abusive.

Good advice.

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thanks for your post and input—i attempted to email you to thank you personally but it kept getting returned saying no known user or address not valid or something like that (and yes i did remove the X) so as unpersonal as this may seem—thank you very much PS my email is "somewhat" open if you wish to respond—that prob means spammers will have a field day with it

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You’re welcome. PS my email is "somewhat" open if you wish to respond—that prob means spammers will have a field day with it

So’s mine when I post from Google Groups. I e-mailed you from my UNC account just now. I tested it and it is working. If when you respond it still doesn’t work for some reason, you can try –Patti

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You and "Twittering One" have identified a tough issue. When a person like T.O. has a very serious problem and expresses her feelings she is likely to be ignored by others because of how it sounds. _g

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Reply to ohush at unc dot edu Hush, I do believe the Straterra may be causing you delusions. Speak with John …. Wrong. It’s 2:00 now, dammit. I rest my case, 3:23 am. I woke up at around 2:00 a.m. and stayed in bed for an hour hoping I would fall asleep again. I thought you were never going to correspond with me again. So shall I share your delusions with the rest of the class, Ms. Hooper? You know I wouldn’t do that, or you wouldn’t be baiting me. OTOH, I know from personal experience that you will communicate mangled versions of things I’ve told you in confidence for your benefit to others, including my name. If you would like to have this discussion publicly, keep this crap up.

That wasn’t a good night for sleep. I checked that post and found out TO was correct about the time. Not good… My solution… forget it. _g

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I don’t know that she sounds delusional per se but she certainly comes across as having _some_ kind of problem of such a nature that one questions her contact with objective reality, and if she considers any advice in the nature of "if you continue to come across this way you will have difficulty engaging in any kind of successful litigation" to be "abuse" then she pretty much confirms that view. — –John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

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Yes. I can understand that a calm, self-assured person comes across as being a believable and trustworthy source. … Appearing ‘flakey’ or being distraught & incoherent isn’t nearly as effective. Nevertheless, when the plaintiff is asserting that her former health caregivers have driven her to a state of rabid, suicidal, dissociation for months on end … … wouldn’t "calm & collected" be a tad delluding ? Of course, you are quite correct, herein. … … Do you think that "calm & collected" combined with a straight-jacket fashion accessory would work, here? How about using as actor as a ’stand in’ to simulate the tetimony, eh? … the sceenplay that is utilized would have to be a sworn affidavit, naturally. RL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — –John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hush, I do believe the Straterra may be causing you delusions. Speak with John …. There is evidence it works better for women than men. John’s poroblem was quite rare….But maybe you are joking. She was joking. I told her privately that *in my opinion* she needs to get effective therapy and heal herself before she pursues her legal battle because she *sounds* delusional and people are unlikely to take her seriously in her current condition. She says that was abusive. You and "Twittering One" have identified a tough issue. When a person like T.O. has a very serious problem and expresses her feelings she is likely to be ignored by others because of how it sounds. I don’t know that she sounds delusional per se but she certainly comes across as having _some_ kind of problem of such a nature that one questions her contact with objective reality, and if she considers any advice in the nature of "if you continue to come across this way you will have difficulty engaging in any kind of successful litigation" to be "abuse" then she pretty much confirms that view. Yes. I can understand that a calm, self-assured person comes across as being a believable and trustworthy source. … Appearing ‘flakey’ or being distraught & incoherent isn’t nearly as effective. Nevertheless, when the plaintiff is asserting that her former health caregivers have driven her to a state of rabid, suicidal, dissociation for months on end … … wouldn’t "calm & collected" be a tad delluding ? Of course, you are quite correct, herein. … … Do you think that "calm & collected" combined with a straight-jacket fashion accessory would work, here? How about using as actor as a ’stand in’ to simulate the tetimony, eh? … the sceenplay that is utilized would have to be a sworn affidavit, naturally.

Who said anything about "calm and collected"? If what she says is true she has every right to be angry and distraught. The problem is that she is not coming across as "angry and distraught", she’s coming across as _irrational_. Rational and foaming at the mouth is fine–if what she says is true she has every right to be foaming at the mouth angry. Calm, collected, and irrational isn’t fine, and that’s her problem–she’s coming across not as _angry_ but as someone whose relationship with objective reality is tenuous at best. Put her on the stand and no matter how calm and collected and self-assured she appears to be, if she answers reasonable questions with "you’re abusing me" the jury is going to have no difficulty at all finding reasonable doubt as to the validity of her claims that she has been abused. And that is pretty much what she did in the extant example–someone made a reasonable suggestion to her and rather than taking it in the spirit intended she accused them of abuse. — –John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

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John, May I borrow you shot gun? Does a toe rech the trigger? I have completed The Anonymously Funded Study ~ A What Data Point Does A Person Give Up Without solid, real tangible Positive Reinforcement.

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The world is a dreadfully ugly, in humane place, Not much different now, than 2000 years ago. Laws have failed, If formulated correctly, Their reinfocement is an unfunny joke.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hush, I do believe the Straterra may be causing you delusions. Speak with John …. There is evidence it works better for women than men. John’s poroblem was quite rare….But maybe you are joking. She was joking. I told her privately that *in my opinion* she needs to get effective therapy and heal herself before she pursues her legal battle because she *sounds* delusional and people are unlikely to take her seriously in her current condition. She says that was abusive. You and "Twittering One" have identified a tough issue. When a person like T.O. has a very serious problem and expresses her feelings she is likely to be ignored by others because of how it sounds. I don’t know that she sounds delusional per se but she certainly comes across as having _some_ kind of problem of such a nature that one questions her contact with objective reality, and if she considers any advice in the nature of "if you continue to come across this way you will have difficulty engaging in any kind of successful litigation" to be "abuse" then she pretty much confirms that view.

I agree. "O’Hush’s" advice was sound. When things are bad it’s easy to blame someone who tells the truth, but it only makes things worse. _g

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Twittering One, you may not realize it because of communication style differences, but Patti is trying to be your friend. _g

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I hate to belabor such a silly point, but I meant that I am now waking up at 2:00 a.m., not that it was 2:00 a.m. when I posted. –Patti

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – looking for ppl who have had real experience with this med—i’ve read all the patient info booklets and have gone to the Eli Lilly website to read up on it too did you see a difference immediately or did it take while to "kick in"?? I’ve been on it for about 10 days now. It’s starting to work. I’ve been able to study for several hours at a time without getting that caged-animal feeling. I think I like it better than Ritalin so far. My doc said I could take half a dose of Ritalin with Strattera, but I’ve stopped the Ritalin because together they seem to make me anxious, though neither does alone. Hey, great that it’s starting to work! Even better that you found out the combo of both meds was making you anxious… Ritalin and Effexor XR together brought me out in hives when neither did alone.

It’s working for stuff like social skills and focus, but it’s not great for motivation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – any side effects?? A little nausea, which is improving. Taking it after you eat reduces the nausea. Besides, you may not want to eat anything for several hours after you take it, so if you take it before supper, you’ll be skipping supper. I’ve been waking up at around 3:00 a.m. (now it’s 4:00, thanks to daylight savings Sometimes I can eventually get back to sleep, sometimes I’m up for the day. It makes me sleepy a few hours after I take it, so I take it around dinnertime and go to bed at around 10:00. I think I’ve heard it’s unpredictable whether it will make you sleepy or alert after you take it. Right after I started it, I felt kind of creepily euphoric for a few days — like I had smoked a joint several hours ago and I didn’t really feel good anymore, but was still disoriented. It wasn’t really a good feeling. {{{Patti}}} Waking up in the middle of the night is a right pain, if only Strattera didn’t make you sleepy! Maybe that side-effect will wear off after a while so you could try it in the morning?

The nausea has worn off. I’m not sure whether the sleep deprivation has caught up with me or what, but ATM I can’t keep my eyes open. (It’s 4:26. Everybody check your watch. –Patti

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looking for ppl who have had real experience with this med—i’ve read all the patient info booklets and have gone to the Eli Lilly website to read up on it too did you see a difference immediately or did it take while to "kick in"?? any side effects?? appetite changes?? sexual side effects?? thanks in advance for any input

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Google Groups is your friend. There has been extensive discussion of it here. Personally I discovered the hard way that in rare cases it induces psychosis. — –John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

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I’ve been on it for about 10 days now. It’s starting to work. I’ve been able to study for several hours at a time without getting that caged-animal feeling. I think I like it better than Ritalin so far. My doc said I could take half a dose of Ritalin with Strattera, but I’ve stopped the Ritalin because together they seem to make me anxious, though neither does alone. any side effects??

A little nausea, which is improving. Taking it after you eat reduces the nausea. Besides, you may not want to eat anything for several hours after you take it, so if you take it before supper, you’ll be skipping supper. I’ve been waking up at around 3:00 a.m. (now it’s 4:00, thanks to daylight savings Sometimes I can eventually get back to sleep, sometimes I’m up for the day. It makes me sleepy a few hours after I take it, so I take it around dinnertime and go to bed at around 10:00. I think I’ve heard it’s unpredictable whether it will make you sleepy or alert after you take it. Right after I started it, I felt kind of creepily euphoric for a few days — like I had smoked a joint several hours ago and I didn’t really feel good anymore, but was still disoriented. It wasn’t really a good feeling. appetite changes??

No, once the nausea passes. I think I’m eating about the same as before. sexual side effects??

Nothing frustrating, and nothing I’d really want to say on usenet. E-mail me if you want specifics. ohush at unc dot edu (or take out the "x" to reply)

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Hush, I do believe the Straterra may be causing you delusions. Speak with John ….

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Check PsychoBabble

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any side effects?? I’ve been waking up at around 3:00 a.m. (now it’s 4:00, thanks to daylight savings

Wrong. It’s 2:00 now, dammit.

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~ ! A Morning Wood Merciful Merci * * * !

admin — Thu, 26 May 2005 00:00:00 +0000

Question:

"O, Deade Folk, too, we know ~ ’cause we near ~ Folly

"Cold duck?" ~ Molly?

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"O, Deade Folk, too, we know ~ ’cause we near ~ Folly "Cold duck?" ~ Molly? "No, know ~ Nothing but The Best, Dommmmme Perginon, or Mumms, or Cristolfe, or Perrier Jouet. Nothing less, but The Best." ~ Mer Loleil "Pee King ~ !" ~ Twittering

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"Where’s our Pet Peacock’s play toy? Plenty angry, she Wanting her play toy, too ~ !" ~ Sir Cumference

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"Soggy, these smores, no? What’s more, My chocolate’s smudged." ~ Justin "Justice ~ Needs shortening Without which no biscuit is crisp." ~ Alfred "O, here, how about a Graham, Jorie? Or, A cracker with brie and pepper?" ~ Arrowroot "A tad of advice, Justice ~ Go For a nice short quote from Barkleys, pithy, pointed, and pertinent. Hope that helps." ~ Folly "Rejoins . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oh Spasmic counsel from canary conceited by doting owners On astronomy On cosmology? ‘Potery’? . . . . . . . . . . Er, sheesh. Hen, stow it." ~ Justine International "Agent Canary, said ~ ‘Work With Me,’ so, alas, I am attempting to ~ Exhibit 1. Be Polite. Exhibit 2. Be Hopeful. Exhibit 3. Be Honest. Exhibit 4. Stand Up For Myself, as Best I Am Able. Exhibit 5. Use My Experience To Help Others, Less Able. ~ * ~ "We have your #2." ~ Agent Canary "O, we do, 2." ~ Roberta Morganbowow "Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr ~ !" ~ Lucy Fur Syn da Frank’s Weiner "You have Exhibit 2. Be Hopeful? Is that all? Not enough." ~ Twittering "But what about the birds?" ~ Molly "And the minerals and flora And fauna?" ~ Folly "I want my Mum, and Capsicum, too ~ Know ~ ! As, well, Leonardo." ~ Twittering "Where’s my Precious Munchkin from Oz?" ~ Capsicum "Here ~ !" ~ Twittering *

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"… & lottsa Dogs." ~ Twittering

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ~ ! A Morning Wood Merciful Mercurial Maniacal Emergency * * * ! "I don’t mean to be contrary (it comes naturally), And this is one of those cases where I do care With whatever passes for sincerity In my world, but … well I don’t think there’s a nice way To say it. I’ll try, though. I’m probably way off-base With this anyway. Is Usenet ~ a public, searchable, indefinitely ~ archived Network ~ really the place You want to look for support after such an experience, Ms. Hooper?" ~ Random "Why not?" ~ Twittering "At 33 or 34, In such a populous area, and for a person Such as Yourself, I’d find it surprising if you didn’t have friends Off the wire." ~ Random "O, you mean ~ Etherized, too? My only friends now, on balance, & some Polar Bears et ~ Twittering

I’d be hard-pressed to show you any on-balance human. Precious few of us are okay. Are you working there, at 33rd & Byrd? It seems like a nice enough place. Not sure if fowl are really the friends you need, though. Why not Usenet… well… the lack of intimacy. The pallid shade of human affection. The unreality of it. It’s a dissociation from ‘real’ humanity. It disconnects you from who and what are actually around, actually available. All of this Internet stuff you’re going about… it’s all an escape. But it’s temporary. At some point, you still have to lay down in a real bed, go out on a real street, talk to real people, if only superficially. It isn’t helping much. That, and the assholes that meet you on Usenet have a lot more potential to be damaging, to be counterproductive with regard to emotional support and recovery. A stranger on the street doesn’t know your name. He doesn’t know your pain, what you’ve gone through. He doesn’t know where you live, where you hang out, what you used to do, what you do now. He hasn’t read the complaints, doesn’t know what’s been done to you. He can’t use it against you. Do you go out at all? Hang out, other than at 33rd or with the polar bears?

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"I’d be hard ~ pressed to show you Any on ~ balance human. Precious few of us are okay. Are you working there, At 33rd & Byrd? It seems like a nice enough place. Not sure if fowl Really are the friends you need, though." ~ Random "No, not, the foul Just follow." ~ Twittering "… the lack of intimacy. The pallid shade of human affection. The unreality of it. It’s a dissociation from The Real Humanity. It disconnects you From who and what are actually around,

Actually available." ~ Random "O, yes, I agree. But now, it’s all I’ve got." ~ Twittering "At some point, you still have to lay Down in a real bed, Go out on a real street, Talk to real people, if only superficially." ~ Random "O, I agree. For now, it’s my only contact. But O, I want Real." ~ Twittering "A stranger on the street Doesn’t know your name, doesn’t know your pain, What you’ve gone through, doesn’t know where you live, Where you hang out, What you used to do, What you do now. H. hasn’t read the complaints, Doesn’t know what’s been done to you. H. can’t use it against you." ~ Random "H. knows, but there’s nothing To use Against me. All done. Nothing Much more to lose." ~ Twittering "Do you go out at all? Hang out, Other than at 33rd or with the polar bears?" ~ Random "Borders. Dunkin Donuts. The Hospital Coffee Shop. That’s ’bout it." ~ Twittering

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I’d be hard ~ pressed to show you Any on ~ balance human. Precious few of us are okay. Are you working there, At 33rd & Byrd? It seems like a nice enough place. Not sure if fowl Really are the friends you need, though." ~ Random "No, not, the foul Just follow." ~ Twittering "… the lack of intimacy. The pallid shade of human affection. The unreality of it. It’s a dissociation from The Real Humanity. It disconnects you From who and what are actually around, Actually available." ~ Random "O, yes, I agree. But now, it’s all I’ve got." ~ Twittering

For now? Or now and forever? "At some point, you still have to lay Down in a real bed, Go out on a real street, Talk to real people, if only superficially." ~ Random "O, I agree. For now, it’s my only contact. But O, I want Real." ~ Twittering

It’s not going to come and get you, or so we should hope. It’s up to you to go and get It. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "A stranger on the street Doesn’t know your name, doesn’t know your pain, What you’ve gone through, doesn’t know where you live, Where you hang out, What you used to do, What you do now. H. hasn’t read the complaints, Doesn’t know what’s been done to you. H. can’t use it against you." ~ Random "H. knows, but there’s nothing To use Against me. All done. Nothing Much more to lose." ~ Twittering

The perfect position: nothing to lose. It means you can walk a couple blocks, sit down, and gamble on a group of strangers. If you lose, you’ve lost nothing. http://www.google.com/maps?q=Cafe&near=10016&hl=en Bring Folly. A good conversation piece and ice breaker, and hopefully (he? she?) will make you feel a little more comfortable while you’re out. "Do you go out at all? Hang out, Other than at 33rd or with the polar bears?" ~ Random "Borders. Dunkin Donuts. The Hospital Coffee Shop. That’s ’bout it." ~ Twittering

I’m not too familiar with the area, being that I’m in (not from) S. Fla and have never been near where you are. But I meet a lot of people from that region and it seems to me that, as unpleasant and misguided as I find them, they generally mean well in their own ways. I’ve found that Starbucks is an excellent place to meet any sort of person. Lord knows, they’re not paying five bucks for the shitty drinks… I generally just want them to shut up and go away, but I’m rather misanthropic. Your mileage will certainly vary. Anyway… I don’t really have anything else to say, and I really don’t like cross-posting (alt.astronomy?). I don’t know if I’ve been of any help, but I hope I have. You’ve got my email address in all of these posts, if you want it for any reason. Good luck, ma’am.

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~ ! A Morning Wood Merciful Mercurial Maniacal Emergency * * * ! "I don’t mean to be contrary (it comes naturally), And this is one of those cases where I do care With whatever passes for sincerity In my world, but … well I don’t think there’s a nice way To say it. I’ll try, though. I’m probably way off-base With this anyway. Is Usenet ~ a public, searchable, indefinitely ~ archived Network ~ really the place You want to look for support after such an experience, Ms. Hooper?" ~ Random "Why not?" ~ Twittering "At 33 or 34, In such a populous area, and for a person Such as Yourself, I’d find it surprising if you didn’t have friends Off the wire." ~ Random "O, you mean ~ Etherized, too? My only friends now, on balance, & some Polar Bears et ~ Twittering

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"O, Deade Folk, too, we know ~ ’cause we near ~ Folly

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "WHY am I targeted with your commercials. Why can’t I have a whole show Its bull." ~ Mum "O, exactly ~ ! Subliminal Seductino sucks up, suck the life outta ya ~ Like you told me Mum ~ Don’t give away the milk If the cow’s not cared for, taken care of ~ Or, Aka, Don’t let ya Therapist Rape ya ~ Ya pay the Bill, Ya come back for more, But O, Whatdya left with ~ ? A bill, subliminal suction, no lover, And pretty soon ~ !NO HOPE!" ~ Twittering "Merci, Mum. Good lesson Reminder. Please don’t stop. ’cause, like, we’re real dopes. !Love you!" ~ Folly

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Ps. Mum, Love you.

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Because this is an astronomy site, as correctly as possible I write here: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – opinion’ in the subject line. Hello? As a child, long ago, I heard that the universe was expanding. When they then said that the ‘red-shift’ increased with distance, I naturally assumed that this indicated acceleration with distance, then that, together with gravity, long-distance galactic repulsive force and the newly-revealed atomic binding energy. these were therefore simply harmonics of a single force. As a lay-child, I could be wrong, of course. As a lay-youth I preached this idea, but who listens to lay-youths, then or now? – No, neither do I. It came as some slight surprise therefore, three or so years ago, to hear the idea of galactic repulsion being hailed as a new ’scientific’ proposition. Having a little time now to attend to matters other than the urgency to earn a meagre crust in the vale of tears that a few ever more furiously make of this bounteous planet, it might be instructive to set out a few suppositions on the subject of universe deriving from the evidence available between those somewhat more halcyon days and now. If a thing or a process exists, it may be considered as being complete. Viewed from outside, the Universe is a thing, an entity which is already complete. It is. It also seems obvious that it can consist of a single ingredient, which we may consider to be space, or dimension. Concentrations or distortions in space can give the effect of energy, and these concentrations can interact with others to give the effect of particles, which combine to form the effect of atoms, molecules etc. (‘Time’ does not exist as a separate ingredient in the completed Universe except that observation gives us, as an integral part of the process of completion, the impression of ‘time’ and ‘action’ in a universe in the act of becoming complete. There is a case for considering the condition of an internally static universe, but let’s not complicate things here). The matter produced exerts force, and harmonics of these forces duly take effect as binding energy, repulsive force, gravity, intergalactic repulsion and electro-magnetism. So we have a complete single-ingredient entity, within which every interacting particle has no other option than always to be exactly as, relatively ‘when’ and where it has to be. – Perfect universe, complete with its less-than-ideal disasters and problems. Within this universe, look in any direction and galaxies are perceived to be retreating from us at, say, 75% of the speed of light. Look in the opposite direction and you will see the same thing. Because we can see them simultaneously, they – call them A and B – evidently existed there at the same time, all those years ago. The fact that we are in the middle between them is incidental. A was then retreating from B at 1.5 times the speed of light. Light was emitted from A, and there the light was conducted by space ‘at the speed of light’. At any point between A and us, or between A and B, the light would be travelling ‘at the speed of light’. That is because the space conducting it is itself expanding at the same speed as the retreating galaxies. They at A and B, as we here, would say that they are static in space and that it is the others who are retreating. Because the space is continuously extending in this way, without interruption, the light from A will still be received by B, but the light frequency will now be in the form of an inverted wave. At the point where retreat is at the speed of light the wave may or may not be extended to ‘zero’, but the amplitude is not lost, and with further distance it will reverse, to become simply an inverse wave. Such an inverse wave from galaxies retreating at velocities far beyond the speed of light may be distinguished by extending the distance of reception far beyond the normally acceptable position of ‘red-shift’ – i.e. by looking for light from bodies retreating from us at velocities greatly in excess of the speed of light. The signal will be extremely weak, but by compensating for all signals except that which is sought, it may still be possible to detect the light from galaxies retreating from us at, say, ten times the speed of light. After due cogitation, better brains and wiser minds than mine agree that the proposition seems feasible and logical. Well, I am not asking anyone to apply philosphy to it. I say try it. The results may give us fresh insight into the structure and nature of the universe and add to our understanding of it. But should response of any kind to this be considered, have patience, as the mills of aged brains grind exceeding slow.

P.S. In this context, supposing that the red-shifted light reaches ‘zero’ in bodies retreating at the speed of light, and then becomes an ‘inverse wave’, it should then become ‘normal’ again from galaxies retreating at twice the speed of light, and then be increasingly ‘blue-shifted’. – Shouldn’t it? So you know what to look for, don’t you. – Don’t you? By the way, I am considering asking to start alt.cosmology? Tell me yes or no whether there is any interest in cosmology here, or does the repeated non-appearance of my postings indicate the degree of interest here?

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"Justice ~ Needs shortening Without which no biscuit is crisp." ~ Alfred

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"A tad of advice, Justice ~ Go For a nice short quote from Barkelys, pithy, pointed, and pertinent. Hope that helps." ~ Folly

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"WHY am I targeted with your commercials. Why can’t I have a whole show, Its bull." ~ Marika "Minotaur, or Muldoon Macaroon, My enthusiastic Thesis Reader from Theusus? O, you, too, Climined out of My Dictionary To come visit me ~ ? Hey ~ ! Long time no time no see. !Quoof! !Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof! !Quoof! !Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof! !Quoof! !Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof!!Quoof! You manical 4 ~ Leaf Roving Irish Clover. Fly in from Dover, Mr. Paul The Princeton Poet from Muldoon ~ ? Pull up a Chaire, Make yourself comfortable ~ ! Doncha know, now ~ We value your P ~ !" ~ Twittering

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"WHY am I targeted with your commercials. Why can’t I have a whole show, It’s bull." ~ Marika "Greedy fella, Arncha ~ ?" ~ Folly

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"WHY am I targeted with your commercials. Why can’t I have a whole show Its bull." ~ Mum "O, exactly ~ ! Subliminal Seductino sucks up, suck the life outta ya ~ Like you told me Mum ~ Don’t give away the milk If the cow’s not cared for, taken care of ~ Or, Aka, Don’t let ya Therapist Rape ya ~ Ya pay the Bill, Ya come back for more, But O, Whatdya left with ~ ? A bill, subliminal suction, no lover, And pretty soon ~ !NO HOPE!" ~ Twittering "Merci, Mum. Good lesson Reminder. Please don’t stop. ’cause, like, we’re real dopes. !Love you!" ~ Folly

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "WHY am I targeted with your commercials. Why can’t I have a whole show Its bull." ~ Mum "O, exactly ~ ! Subliminal Seductino sucks up, suck the life outta ya ~ Like you told me Mum ~ Don’t give away the milk If the cow’s not cared for, taken care of ~ Or, Aka, Don’t let ya Therapist Rape ya ~ Ya pay the Bill, Ya come back for more, But O, Whatdya left with ~ ? A bill, subliminal suction, no lover, And pretty soon ~ !NO HOPE!" ~ Twittering "Merci, Mum. Good lesson Reminder. Please don’t stop. ’cause, like, we’re real dopes. !Love you!" ~ Folly

I don’t mean to be contrary (it comes naturally), and this is one of those cases where I do care with whatever passes for sincerity in my world, but… well I don’t think there’s a nice way to say it. I’ll try, though. I’m probably way off-base with this anyway. Is Usenet– a public, searchable, indefinitely-archived network– really the place you want to look for support after such an experience, Ms. Hooper? At 33 or 34, in such a populous area, and for a person such as yourself, I’d find it surprising if you didn’t have friends off the wire. You seem like a fairly nice, intelligent, friendly person, not incapable of intimacy or real affection. It strikes me that you’re the kind of person that naturally attracts attention just being you. Why Usenet? You have friends online, yes, that much is clear. But wouldn’t it be more… supportive? to speak with them for instance over the phone? Over more private (thus more intimate) channels? Is there no one in your area who will spend time with you or no way to find such people? Separately, your poetry seems like an excellent and productive outlet. Write more. Archive it. Bring it together. Use it to help you further develop after and beyond this traumatic experience. Read back over what you’ve written and learn still more about yourself. They’re right when they say that the real way to support you is to help you help yourself. Other people can only do so much for what is, in the end, an experience that is yours and yours alone, and is therefore ultimately resolvable only internally. Anyway, if I’m way off-base here, just ignore me. Usually that’s the best route anyway.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ~ * A Bon Noir … … to you, Too ~ ! Years. An eternity." ~ Rocky "Fool, use your Ears ~ ! Hear me Cry for you …" ~ Twittering "Before Breakfast, @ least 13 Impossible Things." ~ Capsicum ~ * ~ ~ * ~ A Sign, A Boarded Shingle Hung Out TO Dry ~ * ~ ! * ! Sonic Triptych * ~ ~ ~ 5 Musical Selections ~ ~ * * ~ i. The Savage Processional of Laziness! ii. Our Hour’s Hour Finally Here! iii. Come, Cum, Cum, Again, Please! iv. Cezanne’s Puzzle Pieces, sure Le Table! v. Light Indents Darkness, Noir Invents!

i hope this isn’t cable radio regarding the following . . . and preceding ads Cable has NO explanation for the existence of commercials. The whole point of cable is you’re paying for it. WHY am I targeted with your commercials. its bull. mk5000 "after performing the surgery for decades, one surgeon decided to use the double-blind, placebo controlled methodology to test whether it really worked. the results were shocking: Arthroscopic surgery for knee arthritis did indeed bring long-lasting results; however, so did fake surgery"–steven bratman

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"A tad of advice, Justice ~ Go For a nice short quote from Barkelys, pithy, pointed, and pertinent. Hope that helps." ~ Folly

Rejoins . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oh Spasmic counsel from canary conceited by doting owners On astronomy On cosmology? "Potery"? . . . . . . . . . . Er, sheesh. Hen, stow it.

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Minor rant, in the midst of paxil withdrawal

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Day 4 report: No better, no worse. Interesting. Since I’m keeping myself pretty well juiced on benzos, I’m doing a little side study on the difference between valium and ativan. Valium 5mg is a LOT more effective than ativan 1 mg, that’s the conclusion so far. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Different strokes for different folks. Go with the Valium if it works for you. Philip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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As a side-note, my shrink has me on neurontin as an exclusive therapy. Far as I can tell, there’s nobody on earth getting treated (effectively) for gad/panic with neurontin alone — but then, I’m not a shrink.

My shrink wanted to put me on neurontin at first, and after doing some investigating on my own I talked with him and we went with Lexapro instead. So, I’m now on Lexapro and Ativan, but I feel a lot better than I used to so I’m not going to complain. I’ve also heard that Paxil is one of the hardest SSRI’s to get off of so I wish you the best of luck. Sounds like you’re making progress. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Feeling absolutely crap, from paxil withdrawal, so this is my tiny rant. About 5 months ago, my GP got me on an SSRI, idea being that the very effective benzos weren’t a long-term solution for my gad/panic. Asked my GP point-blank if the SSRI’s were addictive, and got a point-blank answer that they weren’t. Started with lexapro, moved to paxil. Had heavy, normal side-effects and no discernable benefit from either drug. I took paxil for SIX WEEKS before beginning discontinuation. Discontinuation started cold-turkey — that lasted about 2 days, and I thought I was going to die. So, after a couple of false starts, I began a discontinuation scheme with (roughly) 2.5 mg steps from my 20 mg dose. Felt every step, but I could live with it. Got down 5 mg — 1/4 of a pill — and decided to try stopping. Breathtaking heart palpitations by day 2. So, worked my way down to 2.5 mg — 1/8th of a pill — and now I’m trying again. I can’t cut those damn pills any smaller, and still I feel awful. The heart stuff is especially spooky; while I guess nobody’s actually died from paxil withdrawal (except by suicide, of course), it sure feels like something bad is happening. My GP still refuses to call it "withdrawal," insisting that "discontinuation sympthoms" is some kind of significant difference. I’ve really pressed him on this, and I guess he reserves the term "withdrawal" for those few drugs that can actually kill you if you stop them cold-turkey. So, I reckon my doc would say that you won’t experience withdrawal if you abruptly stop your cigarette or cocaine addiction . . . I’m putting myself on valium vacation for the duration. Had stepped down to zero or .5 mg of ativan a day — without side-effects, btw, except for delicious return of my underlying messed-up head. I’m going back to 15 mg of valium until this paxil crap clears up. End rant. Thanks. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Thanks Jackie. I was vague, in my extra-valium/paxil-withdrawal state — I couldn’t do 5 mg steps either. I got very artful with a paring knife, and managed to cut my 20 mg pills into eighths, so I could do 2.5 mg steps. Each step was a little rough, but I’m particularly amazed at how bad I feel going off the last 2.5 mg. I mean, this was a VERY small dose, and I’d stuck on it for about a week to try and make the last step as easy as possible. Beta blocker is a great idea. I’m only on day 2, and I guess this could go on for a while, yeah? Side note: I think my post sounded flippant about the valium. Truth is, the physical sympthoms and strange depersonalization I’m feeling from the paxil withdrawal are a perfect recipe for panic, for me at least. The valium at least keeps that in check. Thanks again, and good luck with yours if you ever decide to go off. I understand it’s a piece of cake for a lot of people, hope you’re in that set. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I can assure you that you are not the crazy one. It`s a shame that so many doctors and therapists subscribe to benzo-phobia. You obviously aren`t misusing valium, it helps you to feel as close to normal as possible. I don`t know how anyone can say benzos can`t be used for long term use when anxiety and panic disorders are usually long term, if not "for life" disorders.

Yes, it’s troubling. In my case, I had debilitating panic attacks about 15 years ago, and then was relatively free from it until about a year ago. I don’t think this kind of cycle is that unusual for folks like us, tho 15 years was a pretty long stretch. With that in mind, it certainly makes sense to me that I could do a few years on benzos, and then taper them off. The idea of an addiction that required rehab does frighten me tho. I know that in the bad old days psych wards were full of poor souls trying to get off valium. I hate the idea of taking one problem and making it into 2. And the unanimoty among my gp, shrink, and therapist is just about the end of the line; I can’t argue with them based on some paper I read on the internet, even if I think they’re all too reckless with ssri’s and too cautious with benzos. As a side-note, my shrink has me on neurontin as an exclusive therapy. Far as I can tell, there’s nobody on earth getting treated (effectively) for gad/panic with neurontin alone — but then, I’m not a shrink. Beverly, thanks for your good wishes. I asked my gp about switching to prosac after my first cold-turkey attempt, and he basically told me to suck it up. If I hadn’t already made the grueling paxil taper, I’d do prosac for sure. Thanks for the ‘cut my arms off’ story too – makes me feel my false heart attacks and weird disorientation isn’t so uniquely bad. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Holding steady thru day 3, which is nice. The valium is a huge help. ::It also reminds me of how clear and effective I am when properly dosed ::with benzo; even thru this paxil haze, I’ve gotten much more done and ::felt more myself than I’ve been since I started getting off the benzos. :: I am, as ever, questioning the wisdom of my doctor, therapist, and ::psychiatrist, all of emphatically reject benzos as long-term therapy. ::Course, what I know? I’m just the crazy guy. I can assure you that you are not the crazy one. It`s a shame that so many doctors and therapists subscribe to benzo-phobia. You obviously aren`t misusing valium, it helps you to feel as close to normal as possible. I don`t know how anyone can say benzos can`t be used for long term use when anxiety and panic disorders are usually long term, if not "for life" disorders. Jackie ~*~The bad things of life were very transitory.It was the good things , the ribbed sand, the wind blowing over the white capped waves , the sunshine and the stars, that were so tough and durable~*~ ~~Elizabeth Goudge — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Paul, Would it be possible to switch to a low dose of Prozac and then slowly withdraw from that instead of the Paxil? Prozac’s half-life is much longer than Paxil, and discontinuation is also much easier. I’ve heard of many people doing this with success. Paxil withdrawal is the worst. I remember crying at absolutely nothing and telling my daughter I felt like I needed to cut off my arms–it was awful. Hang in there….Beverly — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Thanks again Jackie. Holding steady thru day 3, which is nice. The valium is a huge help. It also reminds me of how clear and effective I am when properly dosed with benzo; even thru this paxil haze, I’ve gotten much more done and felt more myself than I’ve been since I started getting off the benzos. I am, as ever, questioning the wisdom of my doctor, therapist, and psychiatrist, all of emphatically reject benzos as long-term therapy. Course, what I know? I’m just the crazy guy. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Each step was a little rough, but I’m particularly ::amazed at how bad I feel going off the last 2.5 mg. I`ve heard that from quite a few people that those last few mgs are the toughest. ::Beta blocker is a great idea. I’m only on day 2, and I guess this ::could go on for a while, yeah? It could go on a while longer or stop tomorrow, there really is no predicting when it will stop. ::Side note: I think my post sounded flippant about the valium. Truth ::is, the physical sympthoms and strange depersonalization I’m feeling ::from the paxil withdrawal are a perfect recipe for panic, for me at ::least. The valium at least keeps that in check. You didn`t sound flippant at all. I`m glad you have the valium to keep you comfy. Take care Jackie ~*~The bad things of life were very transitory.It was the good things , the ribbed sand, the wind blowing over the white capped waves , the sunshine and the stars, that were so tough and durable~*~ ~~Elizabeth Goudge — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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and my wife thought I’d died during the night I was so cold and clammy, but a lot of the mental stuff seems to have passed. Thought this might be useful info for anybody worried about coming off paxil. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::and my wife thought I’d died during the night I was so cold and clammy, ::but a lot of the mental stuff seems to have passed. Thought this might ::be useful info for anybody worried about coming off paxil. Dear Paul, Sounds like significant improvement. It can only get better, huh? Jackie ~*~The bad things of life were very transitory.It was the good things , the ribbed sand, the wind blowing over the white capped waves , the sunshine and the stars, that were so tough and durable~*~ ~~Elizabeth Goudge — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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