Carl Sagan's Book, Demon Haunted World

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Spoiler: 9 9 9 9 9 Carl Sagan’s new book, "the Demon Haunted World" is a must read…a very important book. Sagan’s finest work. Heed his warning of a demon haunted world and may he rest in peace. I wish you a world free of demons and full of light. Carl Sagan (1934-1996) Sagan’s book ends with this reminder: "If we can’t think for ourselves, if we’re unwilling to question authority, then we’re just putty in the hands of those in power. But if the citizens are educated and form their own opinions, then those in power work for us. In every country, we should be teaching our children the scientific method and the reasons for a Bill of Rights. With it comes a certain decency, humility and community spirit. In the demon-haunted world that we inhabit by virtue of being human, this may be all that stands between us and the enveloping darkness."

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c, If you could be more specific, as to what you claim is non scientific or "darkness", then we might have room for conversation. The main thing, that comes to my mind, with your reply, is that you cannot just jump up and deny "my reality", which is extremely scientifically founded and documented. There is, in my opinion, more proof of entity, than split-personality. Both might exist. Doing a web search, on related words, will bring up hundreds of thousands of posts which confirm my suspicions. You cannot just jump up and "say" that hundreds of thousands are dilusional, and are not to be taken seriously. Nor can you just pop up and say that only the split-theory is valid: There is no scientific evidence to dismiss the spiritual; none. Even Dr. Barach called them entities. He may have just been respecting my and others reality, as all doctors/therapists should (ethics). My own doctor respects my suspicions/studies, very highly. Sagan stated that spirituality deserves respect, but to be carefully sceptical. I just wished that you would have been more specific, instead of feeding the frenzy, with blindly suggestive propaganda. I have never tried to "scam" anyone, for my own profit, which is what I believe Sagan was referring to in his spiritual materials. I am only trying to show people that other opinions exist, which may prove to point us in the correct direction, as far as a direct instantaneous cure. I want and need healing, and my life back. I read the book, in about 3 minutes. Sincere, Mike My Story: http://cust.iamerica.net/mcab/imc.htm Pope C the Anonymous wrote: > key (k…@c.net) wrote:

: Carl Sagan’s new book, "the Demon Haunted World" is a must read…a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> : very important book. Sagan’s finest work. > : Heed his warning of a demon haunted world and > : may he rest in peace. > You didn’t actually read the book, did you? > The book is about how foolish it is to believe in demons and the > supernatural, and how foolish superstitions are, and how sad it is that > people – like you – still feel a need to turn to supernatural and > religious answers for things that have scientific and rational > explanations. > (I’m not saying *I* always believe in the scientific method and in > rational explanations for everything in life, but Carl Sagan certainly > did, and that’s the message of his book.) > : "If we can’t think for ourselves, if we’re unwilling to question > : authority, then we’re just putty in the hands of those in power. But if > : the citizens are educated and form their own opinions, then those in > : power work for us. In every country, we should be teaching our children > : the scientific method and the reasons for a Bill of Rights. With it > : comes a certain decency, humility and community spirit. > Very well put: "the scientific method… decency, humility, and > community spirit." > I would say these are exactly what is lacking in most of the posts from > mikey and John Fitzsimmons and their ilk, and what most of the other > posters in alt.support.dissociation and the other groups they are > harassing have demonstrated, in their abundant patience and goodwill. > : "In the > : demon-haunted world that we inhabit by virtue of being human, this may > : be all that stands between us and the enveloping darkness." > Then, in rejecting science, humility, and decency, are you not sending > yourself into that darkness you so fear? > You choose the darkness you suffer in. I urge you to choose more > wisely. > — C > — > Pope C the Anonymous > popea…@lava.net > "The things we lose a long time ago still haunt us." > – Allison Rose > [mail me via anon-6...@anon.twwells.com to have your mail to me anonymized]

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On 23 Jul 1997 07:40:49 GMT, popea…@lava.net (Pope C the Anonymous) wrote: >key (k…@c.net) wrote: >: Spoiler: <snips> >You didn’t actually read the book, did you? >The book is about how foolish it is to believe in demons and the >supernatural, and how foolish superstitions are, and how sad it is that >people – like you – still feel a need to turn to supernatural and >religious answers for things that have scientific and rational >explanations.

I would not use words like "foolish" and "sad". Sagan does not denigrate peoples beliefs in this book. His message is only that those beliefs are purely subjective and can not be tested. The inability to test a belief in something therefore makes that belief ephemeral and untrustworthy, for want of a better way of putting it. Essentially belief works by accepting a viewpoint or paradigm with no supporting evidence. Science on the other hand takes the view of not accepting anything, I.E. disbelieving or skpeticism, until there is evidence that backs the claim. By evidence I am not talking about thousands of verbal accounts of similar events but something you can pick up, drop, feel, measure and test. A good scientist should also remember that lack of evidence is not evidence of lack. So though there is no scientific proof of a soul, spirit, life after death and so on scince can not say these do not exist. Of course the majority of scientists do not believe in the supernatural or paranormal and it is a vocal minority that actively seeks to `debunk’ these things. Sagan also points out that excessive zeal in disproving non-scientific beliefs is as bad as the people who believe in the paranormal etc. >(I’m not saying *I* always believe in the scientific method and in >rational explanations for everything in life, but Carl Sagan certainly >did, and that’s the message of his book.)

His other message was to simply think. If something is observed or thought to have happened and no rational explanation appears to exist why turn your back on rationality and seek a supernatural explanation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->: "If we can’t think for ourselves, if we’re unwilling to question >: authority, then we’re just putty in the hands of those in power. But if >: the citizens are educated and form their own opinions, then those in >: power work for us. In every country, we should be teaching our children >: the scientific method and the reasons for a Bill of Rights. With it >: comes a certain decency, humility and community spirit. >Very well put: "the scientific method… decency, humility, and >community spirit." >I would say these are exactly what is lacking in most of the posts from >mikey and John Fitzsimmons and their ilk, and what most of the other >posters in alt.support.dissociation and the other groups they are >harassing have demonstrated, in their abundant patience and goodwill.

See my comments above. Sagan is only trying to say that a well educated public with an inbuilt scepticsism will see Politicians for what thay are, power hungry manipulators of peoples fears and the publics need to be led. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->: "In the >: demon-haunted world that we inhabit by virtue of being human, this may >: be all that stands between us and the enveloping darkness." >Then, in rejecting science, humility, and decency, are you not sending >yourself into that darkness you so fear? >You choose the darkness you suffer in. I urge you to choose more >wisely. > – C >– > Pope C the Anonymous > popea…@lava.net

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